Approximate birth time

My birth time is approximate: how does an astrologer check it?

A time like 'around 7 in the morning' or one rounded to the half hour is a good start, and checking it is a smaller job than finding a lost time.

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My father says I was born at about 7:30 in the evening, but my old horoscope says 7:10. Which one is right?

Both may be close. I will cast charts every few minutes from 7:00 to 7:45 and see where the ascendant and navamsha change. Then your dated events, like your marriage and job changes, show which part of that window fits.

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Short answer

An approximate birth time, such as a time rounded to the half hour, keeps the same ascendant sign across its whole range in about 3 charts in 4, but rarely the same navamsha. An astrologer tests the window against dated events, and for births before 1946 checks whether the clock showed wartime time. On Kismo, verified Vedic astrologers check an approximate time by chat or call, online from anywhere.

Key facts

What are the key facts about approximate birth time?

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Your situationYou have a time, but it was rounded, remembered or written without saying which clock
Same ascendant across a half-hour rounding75.0% of charts, Delhi (calculated)
Signs that rise fastestPisces and Aquarius, under 1.5 hours each in Delhi (calculated)
Wartime clockIndia's clocks ran one hour ahead from 1 September 1942 to 15 October 1945 2
What to bringThe time, who gave it and how, the date and place, and dated life events
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What gets checked

What does an astrologer check when the birth time is approximate?

  1. How the time was rounded. A time ending in 00 or 30 is often rounded; the astrologer treats it as a window of 15 minutes either way.
  2. Where the ascendant sign changes inside that window. In a calculation of 20,000 Delhi births, the sign stayed the same across the whole half-hour window in 75.0% 3.
  3. Which clock was used. A birth in India from September 1942 to October 1945 may be written in wartime time, one hour ahead of standard time 2.
  4. Which divisional charts the reading needs. A 5-minute error changes the navamsha ascendant in 74.5% of charts and the D12 ascendant in 92.2% 3.
  5. Dated life events, to choose between the candidate times that remain.
Your situation

What changes the answer when the birth time is only approximate?

  • How close the time sits to a sign change. If the whole window is inside one sign, the ascendant is settled and only finer charts need work.
  • The year of birth. A time written between 1942 and 1945 may be one hour ahead of standard time, and in the calculation that hour changed the ascendant sign in 50.2% of charts 3.
  • The latitude of the birthplace. Fast-rising signs are faster in the north, so a 20-minute doubt matters more in Srinagar than in Chennai.
  • What you want read. A question about the 7th house needs the sign; a question that uses the navamsha or D10 needs the time within a few minutes.
By the numbers

How long does each ascendant sign take to rise?

Each ascendant sign takes between about 1 hour 20 minutes and 2 hours 26 minutes to rise, depending on the sign and the latitude. Calculated from public astronomical data with the open-source astronomia library 3, Lahiri ayanamsa, for one sidereal day.

Ascendant signChennai (13° N)Delhi (28.6° N)Srinagar (34° N)
Aries1.80 h1.57 h1.50 h
Taurus2.03 h1.93 h1.87 h
Gemini2.20 h2.23 h2.27 h
Cancer2.17 h2.33 h2.40 h
Leo2.03 h2.30 h2.40 h
Virgo2.03 h2.27 h2.37 h
Libra2.10 h2.33 h2.43 h
Scorpio2.20 h2.30 h2.33 h
Sagittarius2.13 h2.07 h2.07 h
Capricorn1.87 h1.70 h1.63 h
Aquarius1.70 h1.47 h1.33 h
Pisces1.67 h1.43 h1.33 h

The further north the birth, the bigger the gap between fast and slow signs: 1.67 to 2.20 hours in Chennai, 1.33 to 2.43 hours in Srinagar 3. So a rough time near a Pisces or Aquarius ascendant needs more care than one in the middle of Libra.

Divisional chartAscendant changes if off by 2 minutes either wayIf off by 5 minutes
D9 navamsha29.9%74.5%
D10 dashamsha33.7%81.0%
D12 dwadashamsha40.5%92.2%
D60 shashtiamsha100%100%
What the texts say

What does KP Reader say about a doubtful birth hour?

KP Reader 1 treats a doubtful hour as something the ruling planets can settle. Its example is a native who gave his birth as about 3:45 am on 7 March 1944, with no one sure whether that was war time or civil time 1.

At the moment of judgment the ruling planets were Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Jupiter again 1. A 3:45 am birth would give a Capricorn ascendant ruled by Saturn, who was not among them, so the reader keeps a Sagittarius ascendant and puts the birth at 2:40 am, calling the reported time war time 1.

A second case in the same book, a birth at Tenkasi on 15 May 1943 at 2:45 pm, is cast both ways. Read as war time it gives a Leo ascendant at 20°3'; read as standard time it gives Virgo at 5°3' 1. The contributor chooses between them with the ruling planets of the moment 1.

The wartime hour is real in the clock records. The IANA time zone database lists India one hour ahead of IST from October 1941 to 15 May 1942, and again from September 1942 to 15 October 1945 2. Its own notes call the source for 1941 to 1945 dubious, so the exact switch days are uncertain 2.

Case or recordWhat it showsSource
KP Reader 1, birth 7 March 1944Given 3:45 am; ruling planets point to 2:40 am, read as a war-time time1
KP Reader 1, Tenkasi, 15 May 1943Leo 20°3' as war time or Virgo 5°3' as standard time1
IANA time zone databaseIST plus one hour, Oct 1941 to May 1942 and Sep 1942 to Oct 19452
Calculation, Delhi births 1942 to 1945One hour's difference changes the ascendant sign in 50.2%3
Clock history

Which clock was India using when my parents or grandparents were born?

India's clocks changed several times before 1946, so the clock behind an old birth time matters. The dates below come from the IANA time zone database 2.

  1. Before 1906

    Railways ran on Madras time, UTC+5:21:10, about 9 minutes behind today's IST; cities such as Calcutta and Bombay kept their own local times 2.

  2. 1 January 1906

    Railways and telegraphs switched to UTC+5:30, the offset IST still uses, though some cities kept local time for years 2.

  3. October 1941 to 15 May 1942

    Clocks one hour ahead of IST in the database's record 2.

  4. 1 September 1942 to 15 October 1945

    Clocks one hour ahead again; this is the war time KP Reader refers to 21.

  5. After 15 October 1945

    India returned to UTC+5:30 and has stayed on it since 2.

Myths and facts

What do people get wrong about this?

Belief: If the ascendant sign is right, the time is good enough for every reading.

A 2-minute error changes the navamsha ascendant in 29.9% of charts, and a 5-minute error in 74.5% 3. Readings that lean on divisional charts need a tighter time than the sign alone.

Belief: A time written in the 1940s can be entered as it is.

From September 1942 to October 1945 India's clocks were one hour ahead 2, and KP Reader shows charts moving a full sign once that hour is taken out 1.

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Questions worth asking in the session

  • Where in my time window does the ascendant change sign?
  • Does my navamsha ascendant stay the same across the window?
  • Could my time have been written in war time or local time?
  • Which of my life events fit best, and at which minute?
  • Which readings are safe now, and which need a tighter time?
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Questions people ask

My birth time is approximate. Is my kundli still right?

Usually most of it is. The planets' signs and your Moon sign rarely change within an hour, and the ascendant sign stays the same across a half-hour window in about 3 charts in 4. The navamsha and other divisional charts are far more sensitive, so ask the astrologer which parts of your chart the doubt touches.

Two documents give me two birth times. Which should I use?

Use the one written closest to the birth, by the person who saw the clock: a hospital record or a horoscope made in the first days beats a later school form. If both are equally old, ask an astrologer to cast both charts and test them against your dated events. Often only one of them fits.

I was born in 1943. Should I subtract one hour from my birth time?

Possibly. India's clocks ran one hour ahead from September 1942 to October 1945, so a time read off a clock then may be an hour ahead of standard time. Some software applies this correction on its own, so check what yours does. An astrologer can test both readings against your life events before choosing.

How many minutes of error is acceptable in a birth chart?

For the ascendant sign, often 15 minutes or more is fine unless the time sits near a sign change. For the navamsha, even 2 minutes changes the ascendant in about 3 charts in 10 in a calculation of 20,000 births. So the acceptable error depends on which chart the question needs.

What does it cost to check an approximate birth time on Kismo?

Checking an approximate time on Kismo costs the astrologer's per-minute rate, from ₹15 a minute, the same for chat and call. Kismo is an app where you talk to verified Vedic astrologers by chat or call, in 16 languages. Your first session carries 5 free minutes, and only minutes you use come out of the wallet.

An astrologer moved my birth time by two hours without asking about my life. Is that normal?

No, a large change made without dated events or a stated reason is a warning sign. A rough time is usually checked within a window of an hour or less. Ask which events or method moved it that far. On Kismo, after a session you can be suggested up to three other astrologers for a second opinion.

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Sources

Where do these facts come from?

  1. Krishnamurti Padhdhati Reader 1: Casting the Horoscope (K. S. Krishnamurti), 'War time or civil time' and 'Correct birth time: KP gives the clue', Internet Archive. Accessed .
  2. tz database, file 'asia', zone Asia/Kolkata and notes on India, IANA time zone database (eggert/tz on GitHub). Accessed .
  3. astronomia: astronomical algorithms after Jean Meeus (open-source library used for the calculations), GitHub, commenthol. Accessed .